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349 | Vulnerability is NOT a Weakness in Leadership With Dov Baron

Published on 10/12/2018
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Have you ever heard or thought that vulnerability was a weakness? It is a prevailing thought in our world that you have to be strong and resilient. However, I believe in leadership you are strong and resilient when you are not afraid bot be vulnerable. Today, I share my interview with Dov Baron. Dov is a strong leader. He advises other leaders. He is amazing, and he shares why vulnerability is not a weakness. Take it all in and let it change you as a leader. Learn how to be vulnerable and why it is so important.

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Target Audience: Dov Baron is recognized as one of the top 100 leadership speakers to hire and corporate cultural strategist. He is the founder of “Full Monty Leadership” and a bestselling author. His latest book is Fiercely Loyal: How High Performing Companies Develop and Retain Top Talent.

Vulnerability is NOT a Weakness in Leadership: The Transcript

Disclaimer: This transcript was created using YouTube’s translator tool and that may mean that some of the words, grammar, and typos come from a misinterpretation of the video.

Leaders in the trenches and your host today is Gene Hammett.

Gene Hammett: Hi, this is Gene Hammett. I am the host of leaders in the trenches and I want to talk to you today about vulnerability. I know that’s not the normal kind of conversation that we jump into, but vulnerability is really important to you as a human being, but also as a leader. We’re going to dive into that today and what vulnerability means as a very transformational leader and someone who activates people to go beyond just doing the work to want to do to. My guest today is Dov Baron. Dov is a pistol, like he really is. Someone who brings passion to this and insight to this whole conversation of leadership, specifically in the area of activating others to take more ownership and the entrepreneur spirit. Now, if this works sounds very familiar to my work, guess what? It is very familiar. It is very much aligned, but I have dove on the show to the either because you know, I don’t see things as competition.

Gene Hammett:  I’m sure he doesn’t see me as competition. There’s enough for everyone to go around. If we can get this message to spread beyond just these little conversations into the workforce so that everyone loves Monday and everyone’s engaged in what they’re doing and they’re doing meaningful work, it really will make our lives much happier. It’ll make everything that we do as speakers, as writers, as coaches, as consultants, easier, so make sure you share the word of vulnerability and transformational leadership. Now, when I was putting this together, I realized that a lot of the things that he had said actually I lost in some kind of weird, I don’t know, interference and it was very fuzzy, so I cut off the pieces that they were fuzzy so I could get to the real heart of it. So what you were left with is the piece on vulnerability and why that’s so important, so stay tuned for that interview with Baron.

Gene Hammett:  That’s the reason I have you here Dov, because the things you’re talking about and the passion you bring to this is exactly the reason why you’re here. When you’re talking about the vulnerability piece, one of the things that came to my mind is inside that research was so deep in clear of the importance of radical transparency, being able to honestly talk to each other and that vulnerability is just a piece of that radical transparency. They kind of go like this, right?

Dov Baron: Challenges Gene, that people think that vulnerability or transparency, what they think it is and what it really is a vastly different. So they think that transparency is revealing the numbers. That’s only a piece of it. The thing that vulnerability is, I’ll tell them this, but not that. That’s not vulnerability. Yes, you need to be discerning about how you share, but you’ve got to be very clear that if you’re holding back, they will know. The one thing I love about millennials is they are fabulous bullshit meters and if you. If you’re hiding from them, they will know they. There’s an article I wrote about it on Linkedin and I talked about how they might, and they may say all kinds of Nice things. It doesn’t mean they’re not tracking for new job. Forty percent of your best people are already looking for a new job.

Gene Hammett:  Well, I’ve seen that many times inside of companies and we want to make sure that we stopped that by being the leaders that can really activate those people. So you know, this whole concept of the entrepreneur spirit is far into a lot of leaders. When you are working with them, how do you help them overcome the hesitancy of embracing that entrepreneurial way of leading?

Dov Baron: It’s again, a great question and it’s the same thing as I do with the vulnerability piece because again, if you’re over over 40, 45, you probably learned that vulnerability is a weakness and so, and you think that entrepreneurship is a betrayal inside of an organization. So the only way around it is. Again, coming back to curiosity. So I say I want you to do. We usually start with a little bit of work and say, okay, let’s just go around the room and we do it with the executive team and we say, if you didn’t work here and I wrote your a million dollar check to do your own business, what would you do? And it’s a fantasy, oh, I’d do this. Okay, cool. Now I go to them. If you could do that inside this company and have the company finance it and you had to find a.

Dov Baron:  and this is key. You had to find a way to align it with what this company’s purpose is and what it is that we do. How would you do that? And then we have these breakout groups and they work on that and they come back. Then what happens is that CEO was like, Oh my God, this is terrible. It’s something like, oh my God, this is the best idea in the world because they can see how it benefits the company. But what so often ceos and leaders are doing is they’re actually, as you said in our previous conversation, they’re managing rather than leading. And the number one job of a leader is to create more leaders, not create followers. So you, by doing it this way, you get to free them up to explore. You freed them up to share. You free them up and you’ve created an environment by just by saying million dollar check do it. And how would you do it inside of the company for? Oh, and then their own doesn’t lead is like, oh my God, this is such a great gift. Thank you.

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Gene Hammett:  No, there’s so much alignment between our work. There’s two principles that I want to share with you that you’ll get it right away. One

Gene Hammett:  of them is what I call shared goals. When leaders have conversations with, you know, beyond the company goals, the team goals, but the actual, what does that person want to know that and finding the alignment with what they want and what the company wants. That’s magic. And then the other piece behind that is really letting them own the process. What you just talked about with this million dollar exercise, you know, and it’s a good conversation for any leader to have with a direct report because of you see where they really want to, but you’re, you’re giving them an outcome and you’re going to pick. I’m going to go right into the details of it because you said, now if you had this million dollars, how could you do it within alignment with what we do as a business. Go find that puzzle and that’s what really triggers them. Because when they own the goal and they own the process, they have deep ownership across everything they do.

Gene Hammett:  They’re not going to blame you when it doesn’t work out because it’s what they came up with and you can’t give someone a step by step in there. So I go off and take a little bit of control there, but I just, I love the work that you’re, you’re coming up with when you were talking about vulnerability and I always have a practical actual element inside these interviews and this is a little bit longer than I thought, so just give me a few minutes. If a leader was sitting down with a cup of coffee tomorrow by himself, what would he need to think about or questions he needs to ask themselves about being more vulnerable with his team and within the business?

Dov Baron:  I would ask him to him or her to ask themselves what might be the mask I’m wearing. So particularly if done leader is over 42 years old, there’s a pretty good chance that you learned what it meant to be a leader.

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